Wednesday, 19 November 2008

Andrew Gilligan, 'Ross281' and a tale of two socks


The day after I first accused Andrew Gilligan of using a sock-puppet at the Guardian, a new user named 'Ross281' appeared there, and left their first and only comment:



So when this appeared few days later in an Andrew Gilligan column, I was understandably suspicious:

"She claims it will cost “£300,000 per vehicle, per year” to bring in new single and double-deckers — a figure that would be plausible only if Jonathan Ross were driving and Lakshmi Mittal checking tickets. Even this month's issue of the restrained industry trade journal Buses calls it “naive” and “amazingly high”."

Further scouring of the web by Tom from Boris Watch revealed that similar opinions had been expressed by an "Andrew Ross" at Liberal Conspiracy, the day before Gilligan's article appeared:



Even further searches revealed that 'Andrew Ross' had left comments criticising Ken Livingstone underneath another Andrew Gilligan article.

So who is Andrew Ross and what connection does he have to Ross281 or to Gilligan himself?

Well a seperate search through Liberal Conspiracy's comment logs reveals that whoever left the 'Andrew Ross' comment there, is likely to share the same email address as Ross281 at the Guardian.

They also crucially left a record of their i.p address, which is the number that identifies your location on the internet.

Transferring that number over to Tory Troll I can see that whoever left the Andrew Ross comment, shares an address with whoever left this comment on my last post about Andrew Gilligan:

"Sorry mate, I see no mention of potential cuts in police numbers in that July piece by anyone except you. Breaking a story, and making up a story, aren't the same things at all."

Now I didn't publish this at the time, because I had reason to believe that it may be Andrew Gilligan hiding behind anonymity.

But sure enough as day followed night, a further attempt at this comment was sent the following morning, this time with the commenter identifying themselves as Andrew Gilligan:

"I was fascinated to hear about your claim to have broken the police numbers story. I did have a look at that post of yours for July. Can you point me to the bit where anyone (except you) says anything at all about police numbers"

Now I don't want to keep this amateur sleuth stuff up for too much longer Andrew. The evidence of what has been going on is getting fairly long and tedious.

So come on, I know you read the blog. You've been asked this many times by myself, other bloggers, journalists, and even commenters at the Evening Standard.

So here's your umpteenth chance to answer:

Do you deny leaving comments underneath your own articles and articles about you, whilst pretending to be a third person? Come on Andrew, what do you say?

13 comments:

Mark Lee said...

At least I now know where the sock elves take all of my missing socks to...

Tom said...

People can, of course, share IP addresses. Is this particular one a residential one or a business one?

The Troll said...

The thing about finding one pair of odd socks is that you can always be sure to find an identical pair somewhere else...

The Troll said...

Tom - It appears to be residential

Tim said...

Tch. Gilligan is really trying my patience.

Anonymous said...

And oddly no sign of Kennite or any of the other alter egos coming up personally to say this, or any of the other myriad of instances, is incorrect.

Having said that if he hasn't learned the lessons of poor practice leading to job losses (including his own), an undermining of journalistic freedom at the BBC and, not least of course, somebody paying the ultimate price he's hardly likely to cough over this now is he

A shameless display of ego and arrogance.

And before you ask why this is anonymous Gilligan - Simple really, you have form as a bully, form as a journalist with flawed methodology, and now form as someone who isn't shy about undermining your critics behind the veil of journalistic respectability - You won't be doing it to me.

Tim said...

Hello, anonymous person.

Yours is a common decision when sock-puppeting and bullying are combined.

Gandrew Illigan said...

There's a certain mad nobility in the pursuit of
Gilligan.

I think he's a wonderful fella myself. His obsession with buses doesn't verge on the creepy at all.

Political Animal said...

I'm wondering if there is a pattern about to emerge here: Gilligan starts off with 'Kennite', which a casual observer would probably assume meant someone who supported Ken. He gets rumbled on that, so starts using the name 'Ross' - a reference perhaps to Livingstone's former economics advisor John Ross? Is Gilligan going to go through the entire former GLA hierachy with this. I think I'd be on the lookout for usernames involving the words 'Jasper', 'O'Neill' and 'Woodward'.

The Troll said...

We don't yet know for certain if he has been using any of these identities of course. The sequence of events is there though and it is up to him to respond or not.

A casual observer said...

If this continutes any longer you might be able to legitimately add it to his wikipedia page.

asquith said...

I am reminded of the people on beerintheevening who comment on the pubs they manage/work at, saying that despite everyone else calling them shite they are actually really good.

Such people are always fairly obvious from the fact that they sign up just to make one post disagreeing with everyone else, or repeat the same shite in the same way, anonymously.

I always think if they want to sockpuppet/astroturf they could always try doing it a bit more cleverly. But then I realise no one with a brain would be in any way associated with these hellholes.

The same goes for this Gilligan, maybe :)

Tom said...

In case anyone from the future is reading this, it's only just occurred to me a year or so later that 'ross' is Ken's economic expert John Ross and '281' is the main bus route through Teddington, where Gilligan comes from.