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Thursday, 24 September 2009

Richard Barnbrook suspended for murder claims

BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook has been suspended from Barking and Dagenham Council for one month, a joint Standards Committee decided today.

The investigation into Barnbrook began last year after he broadcast a series of false claims about murders in his borough.

In the video, shown again at the Hearing today, Barnbrook claimed that:

"This year alone, up until now there has been 27 murders of youths between 13 and 17 by knife crimes with several thousand more being attacked by knives.

"In Barking and Dagenham alone three weeks ago there was a murder of a young girl, we don't know who's done it, her girlfriend was attacked inside an Educational institute.

"Again two weeks ago there was another attack by knives on the streets of Barking and Dagenham and two people were murdered."

Metropolitan Police Inspector Hugh Boyle confirmed today that no such incidents had taken place.

Despite being told that the claims were false, Barnbrook kept the video on his Telegraph blog for at least four months.

When questioned by investigating officers earlier this year, he admitted that he knew the claims to be false at the time.

He has since sought to retract this admission.

The complainant Councillor Val Rush told the Hearing that Barnbrook had deliberately tried to stir up fear within the borough.

In his defence Mr. Barnbrook claimed that dyslexia and "ambient noise" during filming had led him to confuse his account.

Barnbrook apologised for posting the video, but said that he "would never apologise for bringing the plight of knife crime to public attention"

The committee decided that Barnbrook had "knowingly made false statements" and brought both Barking and Dagenham Council and the Greater London Authority into disrepute.

The following sanctions will now be imposed:

Greater London Authority

  1. Formal Censure
  2. Requirement to apologise on the GLA website and on his personal blog
  3. submit to training on ethics and standards in public life

Barking and Dagenham

  1. Suspension for one calendar month without pay
  2. Requirement to apologise
  3. Failure to apologise leading to indefinite suspension

There were noisy scenes at City Hall today as campaigners clashed with BNP supporters outside the chamber

In the normally quiet basement cafe, members of Unite Against Fascism led a series of chants against Mr Barnbrook's supporters.

Barnbrook's supporters in turn shouted "evil woman" at Councillor Rush as she left the chamber.

Richard Barnbrook now plans to take the case to appeal.

38 comments:

Tony said...

Was his honour Lee Barnes there?

AdamB said...

No Barnbrook's legal representative was suffering from "serious ill health." He was joined instead by a friend who helped him read.

Murad Qureshi AM (press release) said...

The Standard Committee took the right deicision in finding Richard Barnbrook guilty. 
 
Barnbrook's claim that three murders had taken place over a 3 week period in Barking & Dagenham was shown to be completely false. 
 
He engaged in the worst sort of scarmongering, playing on public perceptions of rising crime when in fact crime figures are coming down. In my opinion, Barnbrook has shown that he is unfit for public office.

This is how the BNP operates - by spreading lies and exploiting irrational fears. 

Chi said...

"in fact crime figures are coming down."

Wasn't his concern about knife crime? This does not appear to be coming down. Also, the crime rates are consistent with worldwide trends:

Rushton, J.P., & Whitney, G. (2002). Cross-national variation in violent crime rates: Race, r-K theory, and income. Population and Environment, 23, 501-511.

psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/P&E%20Crime.pdf -

"The Home Office chief statistician, David Blunt, said there was little change, however recorded, in overall levels of knife crime. This is despite recent government claims to have made progress in the most-affected areas.

The number of fatal stabbings has fallen in the past from 270 to 252 but attempted murders involving a knife were up from 245 to 271.

Robberies involving knives were down 2% from 17,058 to 16,701."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/16/crime-figures-recession-impact

AdamB said...

Knife crime is down 12% this year according to the Met

http://www.met.police.uk/crimefigures/

It's still far too high, but scaremongering about it doesn't help anyone (unless you're trying to whip up fear and votes)

AdamB said...

'Chi' a very similar comment to yours seems to have been left over here.

Do you have any other names?

John B said...

I like the URL-truncation on this post; now *that'd* be a proper BNP scandal...

Five Chinese Crackers said...

"Barnbrook's supporters in turn shouted "evil woman" at Councillor Rush as she left the chamber."

Who ever would have thought that BNP supporters would be ELO fans?

Cheers for the tip off on possible BNP sockpuppeting. Whether it is or isn't, it's nice to see them attempt to distract from the central point.

AdamB said...

Not ELO fans I don't think. More the sounds of Enoch Powell

http://jwarren.co.uk/photos/protest/bnp-richard-barnbrook/ <-- Great pictures of yesterday's hearing if you haven't seen them yet.

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

As I said over at 5cc, this is bloody brilliant news and even if it does allow the BNP to play victim as they always do, so be it.

The man has to be punished for bringing public office into disrepute.

Anonymous said...

His dyslexia excuse might have been vaguely tenable if he had written something in which non standard spelling might have caused a misunderstanding but it was a spoken statement filmed and broadcast for all to see and hear.

Unless his dyslexia is so bad that he can't read details of murders which enable him to muddle the Borough in which they took place with Barking and Dagenham. If it is this bad he should have his disability registered and an official reader allocated to him while he carries out his duties in his Borough and at the Assembly.

Tom said...

It's also a bit insulting to equate dyslexia with stupidity. A great deal of effort's been put in by people (who no doubt would be derided by His Englishness as politically correct do gooders) to counteract this stereotype, and the least he could do is be grateful rather than attempt to reinforce it.

It's perfectly possible for a dyslexic to understand the difference between '2 murders' and 'no murders', provided he isn't a thick Nazi twerp.

Chi said...

"It's still far too high, but scaremongering about it doesn't help anyone (unless you're trying to whip up fear and votes)"

That is correct, lying is inexcusable. However, the bigger scandal is the immigration policies of politicians who chose to ignore research from overseas. Their negligence allowed knife crime to develop and that is what should be prosecuted, that is what the media should be focussing on. Not simply Barnbrook's stupidity which is really a minor issue in the context of the larger problems.

Unfortunately, the lack of open feedback about immigration and crime, and avoidance of behavioural science research means politicians are generally clueless.

Suppose it were established that certain behavioral traits -- such as law abidance, impulse control, criminality, and so on -- were differentially distributed between populations beyond a reasonable doubt, and moreover that these differences could not easily be remediated with non-genetic means.

It would be rather foolish to fill up your country with people who were X more likely to commit crime, no?

Even if differences are purely cultural, that can't simply be changed overnight & should lead to changes in immigration policy.

Five Chinese Crackers said...

And Chi, like so many 'other' commenters on this issue slips from arguing about Barnbrook lying to racist arguments about criminal behaviour, which as I have said elsewhere, was a large point of Barnbrook juming on the knifecrime bandwagon in the first place.

Who would have thought the BNP would jump on a tabloid bandwagon to push a racist agenda, eh? I for one am shocked.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 5, not very convincing are they. In fact they dont appear to be able to hold a train of thought above a sentence, and then they slip into what they really wanted to say anyway.

They must be new at this, and should perhaps have started on the nursery slope of blogs before moving into the big arena.

tulip

Chi said...

Five Chinese Crackers,

Did you actually read my post? If groups do commit more crime on average than others that is an empirical fact. Whites commit more crime on per population than chinese in the UK, the US, NZ etc.

It is not racist to observe this. Nor is it sexist to observe that men commit more crime than women on average. This may be due to higher testosterone levels. Is it sexist to point that out?

We know that genes influence many abilities. We also know that some of these genes vary considerably in prevalence between ethnic groups. One example is the RR variant of ACTN3, a gene that affects fast generation of muscular force and correlates with excellence at speed and power sports.

The opposite variant of the gene is called XX. Tests indicate that the ratio of people with RR to people with XX is 1 to 1 among Asians, 2 to 1 among European whites, and more than 4 to 1 among African-Americans.

You get the same pattern for testosterone, Chinese have lower levels than Europeans, who in turn have lower average levels than africans.

These differences are statistically significant.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741

The other group pattern is that Chinese average above whites on iq. Recent studies provide provides examples of localized evolution of cognitive function. For instance,
the protein encoded by DAB1 plays a developmental role in the layering of neurons in the cerebral cortex and cerebellum [37], and exhibits strong evidence for a selective sweep in the Asian sample.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0030090

While politically correct dogma would have us believe that humans are extremely similar excepting for appearances the latest genetic research shows that human groups are evolutionarily diverging from each other and in many ways. But these insights from research are entirely missing from political discussions. http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=120607-1

Genes don't determine everything, but research is constantly finding new gene-trait correlations and group differences.

If your faith in equality depends on an ethnically or racially even distribution of all ability-influencing genes, you're in trouble.

Chi said...

Anon,

Another factor is the low activity variant of MAO-A. This, gene has been found to be associated with a broad range of antisocial phenotypes, including physical violence.

Given the variation in allele frequencies between populations for virtually every known polymorphic gene, it is exceedingly improbable that populations do not differ in the alleles that affect the structural and functional basis of heritable behavioral traits.

The progressive response to this is set out by people like Peter Singer & Steven Pinker. Not name calling.

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/singer30

'MAOA and gang membership/weapon use'

Comprehensive Psychiatry doi:10.1016'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm

AdamB said...

I missed the bit where you dealt with the whole lying about murders thing.

Anonymous said...

It is a pity that the suspension only refers to office, and not bits of him.

Old Sailor

jack said...

I agree Chi, but don’t expect anything but shouts of racist here though; we all know that the non indigenous populace of the major European countries dominates the crime rate far in disproportion to its numbers.

Scandinavia is experiencing a rape wave the likes of which it has never seen with Sweden now officially having the highest rape rate in Europe and people from the middle east being 4 times more likely to be the rapist; the figures are the same in Denmark, where it is 70% of all rapes committed by the non indigenous populace and the same in Norway.

I could go on and list more crimes and more countries but I think we all get the idea.

These so called libertarians and liberals have inflicted enormous violence and suffering on the west.

Helen said...

No doubt Arthur Jensen would advocate euthanasia as being the kindest option for someone with such severe dyslexia as Richard Barnbrook.

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Jack:

We all get the idea that you are a terribel racist.

The idea that certain races are more likely to commit crime, nothing do with of course the level of poverty they exist in, or the barriers placed in front of them, or any other socio-economic factors...it's all about racial make-up right?

Good grief, if only the world was that simple but it ain't, otherwise Russia would have no crime right?

And if I see one more bigot pull out that same old story...

jack said...

Daniel:

We all get the idea that the word 'racist' is all you have to say and that your spelling is appalling too. I speak the truth and for that I am a bigot! How very odd.

You trot out the same silly and empty politically correct weasel words that is the ingrained knee jerk response in the west. Well done Daniel, you have absorbed all of the indoctrination without reservation.

No one said that all countries do not have crime; what has been said here is that in western countries, the non-indigenous populace is responsible for the majority of the worst crimes and that that is massively disproportionately so. As well as the examples I referred to in Scandinavia, it is also a fact that the most violent crimes here in Britain, such as stabbings and shootings are carried out by black people.

The idea that Third World criminality in the west is due poverty and "socio-economic factors" is just another politically correct canard as with social security, even at the bottom of the ladder, the poorest non white is only as poor as the poorest white. On top of that we have a system that actively discriminates in favour of non whites in employment in any case so they have an unfair advantage anyway.

But even Tony Blair when he was PM said that the out of control stabbings and shooting in London had nothing to do with poverty but a "distinctive black culture."

What could he have meant by that when the blacks in London come from every country in not only Africa but also the Caribbean? What culture could have unified them in such violence?

As I mentioned Daniel, it is so called liberals like you have inflicted enormous violence and suffering on the west and are dragging the west to much worse things to come.

Learn to use your own brain Daniel and actually think for yourself instead of relaying on indoctrinated soundbites that have no reality.

And out of interest Daniel, what are you going to do 'if I see one more bigot pull out that same old story'?

Five Chinese Crackers said...

Chi,

"Did you actually read my post? If groups do commit more crime on average than others that is an empirical fact. Whites commit more crime on per population than chinese in the UK, the US, NZ etc.

It is not racist to observe this."

Of course I did read it, and of course it's not racist to observe how different groups commit different amounts of crime. It is, however, racist to pretend that the difference in criminality between groups is the result of their race. Which is what you do, you great big racist.

jack said...

Even if its true, you great big PC clown?

Five Chinese Crackers said...

You'd have to prove that assertion, fella.

That would mean studies that adjust for socio-economic factors. Got any?

jack said...

"That would mean studies that adjust for socio-economic factors"


The idea that Third World criminality in the west is due poverty and "socio-economic factors" is just another politically correct canard as with social security, even at the bottom of the ladder, the poorest non white is only as poor as the poorest white. On top of that we have a system that actively discriminates in favour of non whites in employment in any case so they have an unfair advantage anyway.

But even Tony Blair when he was PM said that the out of control stabbings and shooting in London had nothing to do with poverty but a "distinctive black culture."

What could he have meant by that when the blacks in London come from every country in not only Africa but also the Caribbean? What culture could have unified them in such violence?

jack said...

In conjunction with the data the chi links to above and in an effort to break that strange whites/non-whites dichotomy on MAOA 2R allele frequencies, I dug into MAOA-related genetics literature a little more and here is what I found. Another paper in a perfectly reputable journal:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16896926

Rosenberg et al., 2006
“The association of DNA sequence variation at the MAOA genetic locus with quantitative behavioral traits in normal males.” (Ironically, one of the co-authors of this paper is Alan Templeton, one of the biggest proponents of “human races have no biological basis”).

Among other things (MAOA SNPs), this one also genotyped VNTRs; only in males and the sample size was even smaller. Table 3 lists genotype frequencies for 3R, 4R and “other” genotypes, respectively (in %):

Caucasian: 36.13, 61.68, 2.19 (sample size N=274);
Asian-American: 53.57, 46.43, 0 (N=28);
Hispanic-American: 20.83, 79.17, 0 (N=24);
African-American: 54.05, 32.43, 13.52 (N=37).

So, what might “others” means for the respective ethnic groups? The “others’ represent three rare genotypes, 2R, 3.5R and 5R. Going back to the Table 1 of Widom and Brzustowicz, 2006 referenced in my previous comment, the impression is that 3.5R and 5R are more rare than 2R (2,1 and 7 males out of total 278, respectively). However, this should be compared with the data of Caspi et al., 2002 ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12161658 , Table S1 of Supporting Online Material) that lists genotype frequencies for Caucasian control sample of 1940 males:

2R - 0.2%
3R - 33.9%
3.5R - 0.5%
4R - 63.8%
5R – 1.6%,

giving “others” (i.e. 2R,3.5R,5R combined) a total of 2.3%.

It is clear that all three studies are in good agreement for the frequency of genotypes among white males - Widom and Brzustowicz, 2006 data indicate 41.1% of 3R, 56.7% of 4R and 2.2% of “others” (i.e. 2R,3.5R,5R combined). Thus, we have the situation where two independent studies validate frequencies observed by Widom and Brzustowicz, 2006 for white males. Which makes it reasonable to assume that their 6.1% frequency of the 2R genotype for “non-white” males is also correct. And if it is so, then the likelihood that Rosenberg et al., 2006 data of 13.52% of “others” for African-Americans actually represents mostly 2R genotype seems high.

Obviously, the issue awaits unequivocal data with large enough sample size but if you were a betting man in Las Vegas, this seems to be a pretty good bet!

Chi said...

"Of course I did read it, and of course it's not racist to observe how different groups commit different amounts of crime. It is, however, racist to pretend that the difference in criminality between groups is the result of their race."

FiveChineseCrackers,

Which of the following do you disagree with?

1. Certain gene variants increase the risk of X behaviour.

2. Gene variants occur in different frequencies across ethnic groups.

Here is a more innocuous example. Are the authors of this study racist? According to your logic, they are:

'Neutrophil Response to Dental Plaque by Gender and Race'.

"neutrophil activity increased in blacks but not whites, suggesting there may be racial differences in the inflammatory response to dental plaque accumulation."

http://jdr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/88/8/709

Adam,

Yes, I agree the guy is an idiot for lying and deserves the flack that comes his way.

Chi said...

"it's all about racial make-up right?"

Daniel Hoffman-Gill,

That's like saying it's all about gender when it's pointed out men are more likely to be violent than women. Environmental factors interact with genetic factors that may put people more at risk.

For instance, the study in relation to MAO-A by Teri Moffit in Otago was on europeans. Those who had the low - activity variant in combination with maltreatment were nine times more likely to become antisocial. So the environmental factors are important, but the genetic predisposition can put people more at risk.

The point is that genes occur in different frequencies across groups, so you are likely to get statistical differences.

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2007/01/metric-on-space-of-genomes-and.html

AdamB said...

I've been away for the weekend so I've not been able to keep a close eye on this thread.

However, as I said at the top of the thread, 'Chi' appears to be the same person as Ben017

I was also suspicious that 'Chi' might be 'Jack' (the same arguments, the same double postings) so I had a look at the webstats and 'Jack' is posting from an anonymous proxy server.

It doesn't say much for your argument when you have to hide behind multiple identities and proxy servers does it?

It also doesn't say much for your argument when you have to ignore the entire point of the thread ie whether Richard Barnbrook has invented murders to try and stir up racial hatred.

Five Chinese Crackers said...

Chi/James,

That would be a 'no, I do not know of any studies that measure criminality between races that adjust for socio-economic factors' then.

Dental plaque doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.

jack said...

adam,

I am not chi and chi is not I and nor am I using an "anonymous proxy"; typical of the world we live in today though that these odd little devices are used every time a politically correct taboo is broken;

If there was any tangible evidence that barnbrook tried to incite racial hatred he would be in court right now; he got details wrong by accident or by deisgn and he has paid the price for that.

When will anyone in Nulabour pay the price for thier illegal wars of aggression that have murdered hundreds of thousands?


5cc,

You tried to skewer the goal posts with your ridiculous caveat of any study must "adjust for socio-economic factors'" and that has been proven to be a politically correct fallacy: The poorest non white in western countries is only ever as poor as the poorest white; and next time you leave you ivory tower go and have a look at how black kids are dressed in the UK, with the best trainers and clothes money can buy and dripping with gold.

If you cant bear to leave your ivory tower check out the photos in the next stabbing / shooting.

But yeah, between chi and I we proved that MAOA is a gene identified for criminal behaviour and that that gene is far more prevalent in non whites and also that testosterone is 4 times higher in black men and that hormone is responsible for aggression and also heightened sexual desire.

So the foundations of our arguments are laid; but you choose to ignore that and pick up on plaque.

Funny that.

AdamB said...

'Jack' you are lying. You are are using a proxy server.

Okay I think that's enough from Chi/Ben017/Jack.

This isn't a platform for you to promote your wingnut eugenics theories. Please discuss them elsewhere.

barry rochford said...

No community has a monoploy of righteousness, nor an absence of crime. Crime is not determined by race, but circumstances, even violent crime.
By and large the main parties are generally responsible, even though I doubt some claims about reducing crime.
What is distinct here is that Barnbrook has taken his racist ideology and used it to stir up hatred.
This is the cheating and lying that is part of his fascist party's agenda.
Other parties might get carried away over what they would do with fighting crime, given a chance. That is different from insisting that a particular race is responsible for crime. In this case, he's been caught out fabricating a story, but it's not as if this is the BNP's first big lie.

jack said...

No, you're the only fucking liar here adam and it is just another typical trick of idiots like you when they cannot answer awkward questions.

Twat.

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Oh dear, BNP troll is back.

tonimoroni said...

"Barnbrook's supporters in turn shouted "evil woman" at Councillor Rush as she left the chamber."

Don't the BNP supporters realise their man must be whiter than white!